Quick Numbers & Special Characters Access

Eth▲n Dℯnnis shared this idea 2 years ago
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Out of my own perspective it's slow to type numbers and the alphanumeric characters because accessing them takes a lot of time and it's boring. So to fix this kindly add numbers and those alphanumeric characters on letters such that when I long press a letter I can easily access the alphanumeric characters or numbers, like other keyboards. Also add word/emoji suggestions on top of the keyboard meaning you guys have to resize the keyboard to a smaller size (please do that). And your word correction is not helpful to be truthful i.e.on Android. Borrow some ideas/features from SwiftKey keyboard. And honestly change UI of the menu, give it some material design it's horrible.

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I don't know if I understand correctly as we haven't changed anything there. On the english keyboard the apostrophe has it's own key on the main layout. On the german one you can write it by longpressing "?". Not very intuitive but it's a pro feature. ;)


Best

Janis

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Ok.


If I'm not mistaken, in one of the previous versions you could write it by longpressing either k or j (I don't exactly remember).


Anyway, my suggestion for a pro featuer is then to allow a quick way to access the punctuation and numbers on the second layer directly from the first one. I see 3 possibilities:

- long pressing (would not work for keys that already have a long-press function, e.g. "a"->"ä" on german keyboard)

- really long pressing (to allow it for the other keys as well)

- gesture on the key. If up/down,/left/right are already used, you could introduce a new gesture starting on the respective key, e.g. up-down, circular movement, left-right, etc. (hard to implement, recognition, ambiguity with other gestures etc.)

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Simplest solution (from a UI perspective) would probably be long press + swipe. This would allow 4 easy to see positions for keys with long press actions already without much compromise on speed once learned.


E.g. a tap on the German 'a' would produce an 'a', a long press at neutral would produce an 'ä', and a long press with a swipe up would produce '-', and perhaps a long press and swipe right would be '_'.


I think that's what Anna has in mind, and I think something similar would be rather useful.

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Hi Martin, nice for reporting this. Yes, that could be a good idea, although we have to make sure it doesn't conflict with our existing gestures. Again, something for us to look at for a future release :) Cheers, David

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I think it would not interfere with your gestures. I tried and nothing happened

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I like the idea too. You could implement like the special keys laying for example under the letter "a". You hold down the numbers/emoji button for a short while. Then you show the numbers keypad, only with the characters which you can reach in one step. The user swipe to the number he wants to choose. Once he takes the finger away, it chooses the char he selected. The keyboard itself changes to the default screen instantly.

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Yes, but I'll actually make a new topic about it, because my idea is not exactly the same as in the other topics.

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that is an innovative idea! not only assigning glyphs to long-press, but also to longer-press, something like 200ms for long-press and then 800ms for longerpress. that's almost like 3D-touch :D I'd definitely put brackets on top of "." and "?" hehe

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Hi Ethan


Thanks for your input. We'll think about how we can address these problems. :)

In the future please only write one idea per post so other users can vote for it.

A better word correction is already on its way, suggestions will be added later as it's quite complex. We will also focus on the UI someday then but first we want to improve and add useful features.

Thanks again and have a nice day! :)

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Hi Benjamin, good point. Some people really love the swipe right space, others do not use it. Let us look into this. Thx, David

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Consider making it optional accross the board or assignable to each key. You already have the codebits for both behaviours and it would greatly improve the UX imho. Thanks for the answer, though :D

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I do like swipe right for empty space, but that's nothing I would die for :-) so if there's a better use for it, I have no problem in changing the way I'm writing...

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I also like the right-swipe for space. I would like an option to temporarily hide or collapse the keyboard though to let me review more of the surrounding page sometimes.

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Hey Jeffery


Thanks a lot for this idea. :)

Could you post it as separate topic so users can vote for it? That would be great so we know how many users would like this feature.

Cheers, Janis

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Ok funny, the right swipe is one of the main reasons for me for using WRIO. It's the coolest feature ever, only swipe up is maybe as cool.

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I know some people like it the way it is, that's why I advocate to make the right-swipe an option to either assign it to the whole board or individual keys.

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I proposed similar things, e.g. for getting rid of the space keys (because right-swipe is so cool). In general it will be interesting to see if WRIO will become a flexible comb-framework or rather stay static with only a few options to modify. I'd vote for the first option, so make it an expert-tool. As long as you don't scare away "normal" users, this could probably attrackt more users than when competing with the many alternative keyboards out there.


Just my two cents...

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We try to keep it as simple as possible but put some advanced features in the "Advanced settings" section in the future. We'll always try to give our users the best settings by default though.

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The best settings is a matter of interpretation by each individual user. I fully and completely agree and endorse Saudaggl's last comment. That's four cents altogether.

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They could make it like tasker did with a "basic mode" switch which would unlock options that change the layout and make it more personalized, like changing layouts, getting rid of the space keys or making those keys be a space to control the cursor...

It makes 6 cents now, right? Do we need to get to a dollar to make it happen?

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Of course you're right, Benjamin. But it's important to keep it simple to not confuse users. User experience is very important for a product like this. But I'm sure we'll find a way as personally I also like the customize everything for my needs.

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Hi Martin - die 'long press' Funktion haben wir bereits belegt mit einem entsprechenden Satzzeichen. Eine Möglichkeit wäre, dass bei einem longpress auf eines der zwei Satzzeichen eine (beschränkte) Auswahl aufgeht mit den wichtigsten Zeichen. Können wir uns gerne anschauen, muss aber gut durchdacht sein, damit es intuitiv und vor allem der Schnelligkeit hilft. Grüsse, David

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Hallo David

Ich spreche nicht von den Satzzeichen-Knöpfen sondern dem Knopf mit den "123" drauf. dieser ist meines Wissens noch nicht mit einem "long press" belegt. iPhone-Tastaturen kennen diese Funktion bereits (aber offenbar weiss es kaum jemand). Es würde zum Beispiel die Eingabe einer Klammer sehr vereinfachen. Bisher braucht man dafür drei klicks, neu wäre es nur einer und ein swype auf die entsprechende Klammer.

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Klingt interessant. Schauen wir uns an. :)

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Many promising ideas here (from Ethan as well as in the comments). But if they are "good" in the sense ot the main andvantages of the WRIO keyboard, this depends on how the solution for each idea will be designed. The WRIO keyboard is meant to enable the user to write very fast. That means, that any "long press" and "longer press" idea is imho NOT a good idea for WRIO. I would definitly prefer the flexibility of configuration of the keys layout. In the settings, I would like to have an option to add a separate row of numbers which is "always there", as long the option is activated. And I would lke to choose individually from special caracters which I can acces directly by the two existing keys being already a good part of the WRIO usability concept.

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Why is it so hard to implement features like that, when other buttons already have the same functionality. I don't understand how something like this can take several years.

You know, a few years ago (A FEW YEARS AGO, for the FSMs and his prophet's sake, gloried be their names!), when I first started using WRIO, I was thinking "cool, these guys just need to implement a few of the features to a few more of the keys like the ones that already exist for some keys. Should be no big deal. As soon as that is done, I will be able to recommend WRIO to all of my friends!"

Well, guess what! It's frustrating. I have never even once advertised WRIO to anyone. In fact, when I give away my phone to someone else for them to write on it, I have to take it back instantly, switch to another less confusing keyboard, then hand it back to them, because WRIO is so confusing for people who don't use it all the time.

Keys that need to be way easier to access: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0, -, &, @, *, /, _, (, ). Fuck, I didn't even want to know there are so many of them. I don't even want to know how much time could be saved by improving the access to those keys. This just kills me. And then, there are also some useful symbols not even present in WRIO. This is getting worse as I am typing this.

Why do I even still use WRIO, when it's been 3 years without noticeable improvements to the UX (except for the autocorrection of interword spaces, which is genius) in terms of customizability and easy access to some really often used symbols, which is the highest voted topic in the "ideas" category? I'm a freakin' idealist, that's why, but you guys really are testing my patience (probably other people's, too, or they just left, never to come back). The autocorrect-correction (down-swipe) is actually worse now than it was a few months ago, in other words: it doesn't work 90% of the time and I don't understand how to use it any more.

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Absolutely agree with you.

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Hi Benjamin

We're very sorry for your frustration.

Let me explain why we haven't implemented it yet: We're currently a small team and have limited resources. That's why it's very important for us to focus on some features. That's why we have this community which helps us to see which features are requested most. As a lot of users wish word prediction we're working on this feature at the moment and a completely new UI to make it easier to learn our layout and adjust the settings to your taste. And it will be possible to move the cursor. These features are a lot of work but WRIO 2.0 is currently in beta phase (contact us if you like to test it: app@wrio-keyboard.com).

Customizability is also very important but first needs the new UI as it's important to have a comfortable way to modify the keyboard to your needs.

Why we haven't put numbers and other symbols on the first layer yet: It's not only about adding these on the letters. You need a concept which is logical and easy to understand. For example currently Hold is to change between accents of the same letter and SwipeUp is to capitalize. So you have to find a way how this works with other special characters without appearing random. This is very important because due to the different layout it's already difficult to learn WRIO for new users and the goal is to make it easier and not more difficult.

I know this might not solve your problem but I hope this helps to understand why it is like it is.


One question: Which symbols are not present on WRIO Keyboard? Would be great if you could let us know!


And you're right about SwipeDown. Sometimes it doesn't work in WRIO 1.4, sorry for that. Good news is that we already could fix it in 2.0.


Thanks a lot for your feedback and have a nice weekend!

Janis & the WRIO team

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Hi Janis

Thanks for the quick reply.

First, congratulations. "We're very sorry for your frustration." is indeed the best thing to start with. I was wondering whether you'd catch it. Thanks for that. Second, keeping your calm throughout your response after a comment like this is something to applaud. This is probably why you're in charge of responding to comments on this board and not me.

"this might not solve your problem" indeed, it doesn't, but nice way of putting it to me that I have a problem. I just wanna be able to go around telling everybody "look at what these geniuses did to my phone!".

"this helps to understand why it is like it is" ... uhm ... nothing to add here.

"Which symbols are not present on WRIO Keyboard? Would be great if you could let us know!" I'll start writing them down when I come across them. This might take a while, though. I know there are at least two I use fairly often, but I can't remember which ones they are. I'll have to go through the GPIME.

I thought I was already on 2.0, but I couldn't find any version number in the app (hint hint) and it looks like I'm using 1.4 (SwipeDown). I'll send you an e-mail.

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Hi Benjamin, have you received access to 2.0 in the meantime? Cheers, David

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it looks like it, yes. Cheers~Benny

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